Press Batters McClellan on
Rove/Plame Link
Editor and Publisher
By E&P Staff
Published: July 11, 2005 3:30 PM ET
NEW YORK At numerous press briefings last week, not a single
reporter asked White House Press Secretary about emerging
allegations that top presidential aide Karl Rove was a source, or
the source, for Time magazine's Matthew Cooper in the Valerie
Plame case. Then on Sunday, Newsweek revealed a Cooper e-mail
from July 2003 that showed that Rove indeed had talked to him
about Plame and her CIA employment, although he apparently did
not mention that she worked under cover.
This development apparently freed the journalists to hit
McClellan hard at this afternoon's briefing. In September and
October 2003, McClellan had rejected as "ridiculous" any
suggestion that Rove was involved in the Plame leak. Today, Rove
didn't quite get off "Scott free."
Here is a full transcript of the Rove-related queries
today.
Q: Does the president stand by his pledge to fire anyone
involved in a leak of the name of a CIA operative?
MCCLELLAN: I appreciate your question. I think your question
is being asked related to some reports that are in reference to
an ongoing criminal investigation. The criminal investigation
that you reference is something that continues at this point.
And as I've previously stated, while that investigation
is ongoing, the White House is not going to comment on it.
The president directed the White House to cooperate fully with
the investigation. And as part of cooperating fully with the
investigation, we made a decision that we weren't going to
comment on it while it is ongoing.
Q: I actually wasn't talking about any investigation.
But in June of 2004, the president said that he would fire
anybody who was involved in this leak to the press about
information. I just wanted to know: Is that still his
position?
MCCLELLAN: Yes, but this question is coming up in the context
of this ongoing investigation, and that's why I said that
our policy continues to be that we're not going to get into
commenting on an ongoing criminal investigation from this
podium.
The prosecutors overseeing the investigation had expressed a
preference to us that one way to help the investigation is not to
be commenting on it from this podium....
Q: Scott, if I could point out: Contradictory to that
statement, on September 29th of 2003, while the investigation was
ongoing, you clearly commented on it. You were the first one to
have said that if anybody from the White House was involved, they
would be fired. And then, on June 10th of 2004, at Sea Island
Plantation, in the midst of this investigation, when the
president made his comments that, yes, he would fire anybody from
the White House who was involved. So why have you commented on
this during the process of the investigation in the past, but now
you've suddenly drawn a curtain around it under the
statement of, 'We're not going to comment on an ongoing
investigation'?
MCCLELLAN: Again, John, I appreciate the question. I know you
want to get to the bottom of this. No one wants to get to the
bottom of it more than the president of the United States. And I
think the way to be most helpful is to not get into commenting on
it while it is an ongoing investigation. And that's
something that the people overseeing the investigation have
expressed a preference that we follow.
And that's why we're continuing to follow that
approach and that policy. Now, I remember very well what was
previously said. And, at some point, I will be glad to talk about
it, but not until after the investigation is complete.
Q: So could I just ask: When did you change your mind to say
that it was OK to comment during the course of an investigation
before, but now it's not?
MCCLELLAN: Well, I think maybe you missed what I was saying in
reference to Terry's question at the beginning. There came
a point, when the investigation got under way, when those
overseeing the investigation asked that it would be — or
said that it would be their preference that we not get into
discussing it while it is ongoing. I think that's the way
to be most helpful to help them advance the investigation and get
to the bottom of it.
Q: Scott, can I ask you this: Did Karl Rove commit a
crime?
MCCLELLAN: Again, David, this is a question relating to a
ongoing investigation, and you have my response related to the
investigation. And I don't think you should read anything into it
other than: We're going to continue not to comment on it while
it's ongoing.
Q: Do you stand by your statement from the fall of 2003, when
you were asked specifically about Karl and Elliot Abrams and
Scooter Libby, and you said, "I've gone to each of those
gentlemen, and they have told me they are not involved in
this"?
MCCLELLAN: And if you will recall, I said that, as part of
helping the investigators move forward on the investigation,
we're not going to get into commenting on it. That was something
I stated back near that time as well.
Q: Scott, this is ridiculous. The notion that you're going to
stand before us, after having commented with that level of
detail, and tell people watching this that somehow you've decided
not to talk. You've got a public record out there. Do you stand
by your remarks from that podium or not?
MCCLELLAN: I'm well aware, like you, of what was previously
said. And I will be glad to talk about it at the appropriate
time. The appropriate time is when the investigation...
Q: (inaudible) when it's appropriate and when it's
inappropriate?
MCCLELLAN: If you'll let me finish.
Q: No, you're not finishing. You're not saying anything. You
stood at that podium and said that Karl Rove was not involved.
And now we find out that he spoke about Joseph Wilson's wife. So
don't you owe the American public a fuller explanation. Was he
involved or was he not? Because contrary to what you told the
American people, he did indeed talk about his wife, didn't
he?
MCCLELLAN: There will be a time to talk about this, but now is
not the time to talk about it.
Q: Do you think people will accept that, what you're saying
today?
MCCLELLAN: Again, I've responded to the question.
QUESTION: You're in a bad spot here, Scott... because after
the investigation began -- after the criminal investigation was
under way -- you said, October 10th, 2003, "I spoke with those
individuals, Rove, Abrams and Libby. As I pointed out, those
individuals assured me they were not involved in this," from that
podium. That's after the criminal investigation began.
Now that Rove has essentially been caught red-handed peddling
this information, all of a sudden you have respect for the
sanctity of the criminal investigation?
MCCLELLAN: No, that's not a correct characterization. And I
think you are well aware of that.....
And we want to be helpful so that they can get to the bottom
of this. Because no one wants to get to the bottom of it more
than the president of the United States.
I am well aware of what was said previously. I remember well
what was said previously. And at some point I look forward to
talking about it. But until the investigation is complete, I'm
just not going to do that.
Q: So you're now saying that after you cleared Rove and the
others from that podium, then the prosecutors asked you not to
speak anymore and since then you haven't.
MCCLELLAN: Again, you're continuing to ask questions relating
to an ongoing criminal investigation and I'm just not going to
respond to them.
Q: When did they ask you to stop commenting on it, Scott? Can
you pin down a date?
MCCLELLAN: Back in that time period.
Q: Well, then the president commented on it nine months later.
So was he not following the White House plan?
MCCLELLAN: I appreciate your questions. You can keep asking
them, but you have my response.
Q: Well, we are going to keep asking them. When did the
president learn that Karl Rove had had a conversation with a news
reporter about the involvement of Joseph Wilson's wife in the
decision to send him to Africa?
MCCLELLAN: I've responded to the questions.
Q: When did the president learn that Karl Rove had been...
MCCLELLAN: I've responded to your questions.
Q: After the investigation is completed, will you then be
consistent with your word and the president's word that anybody
who was involved will be let go?
MCCLELLAN: Again, after the investigation is complete, I will
be glad to talk about it at that point.
Q: Can you walk us through why, given the fact that Rove's
lawyer has spoken publicly about this, it is inconsistent with
the investigation, that it compromises the investigation to talk
about the involvement of Karl Rove, the deputy chief of staff,
here?
MCCLELLAN: Well, those overseeing the investigation expressed
a preference to us that we not get into commenting on the
investigation while it's ongoing. And that was what they
requested of the White House. And so I think in order to be
helpful to that investigation, we are following their
direction.
Q: Does the president continue to have confidence in Mr.
Rove?
MCCLELLAN: Again, these are all questions coming up in the
context of an ongoing criminal investigation. And you've heard my
response on this.
Q: So you're not going to respond as to whether or not the
president has confidence in his deputy chief of staff?
MCCLELLAN: You're asking this question in the context of an
ongoing investigation, and I would not read anything into it
other then I'm simply going to comment on an ongoing
investigation.
Q: Has there been any change, or is there a plan for Mr.
Rove's portfolio to be altered in any way?
MCCLELLAN: Again, you have my response to these
questions....
Q: There's a difference between commenting publicly on
an action and taking action in response to it. Newsweek put out a
story, an e-mail saying that Karl Rove passed national security
information on to a reporter that outed a CIA officer. Now, are
you saying that the president is not taking any action in
response to that? Because I presume that the prosecutor did not
ask you not to take action and that if he did you still would not
necessarily abide by that; that the president is free to respond
to news reports, regardless of whether there's an
investigation or not.
So are you saying that he's not going to do anything
about this until the investigation is fully over and done
with?
MCCLELLAN: Well, I think the president has previously spoken
to this.
This continues to be an ongoing criminal investigation. No one
wants to get to the bottom of it more than the president of the
United States. And we're just not going to have more to say
on it until that investigation is complete.
Q: When the leak investigation is completed, does the
president believe it might be important for his credibility, the
credibility of the White House, to release all the information
voluntarily that was submitted as part of the investigation, so
the American public could see what transpired inside the White
House at the time?
MCCLELLAN: This is an investigation being overseen by a
special prosecutor. And I think those are questions best directed
to the special prosecutor.
Q: Have you or the White House considered whether that would
be optimal to release as much information and make it as
open…
MCCLELLAN: It's the same type of question. You're
asking me to comment on an ongoing investigation and I'm
not going to do that.
Q: I'd like you to talk about the communications
strategies just a little bit there.
MCCLELLAN: Understood. The president directed the White House
to cooperate fully with the investigation, and that's what
he expects people in the White House to do.
Q: And he would like to do that when it is concluded,
cooperate fully with…
MCCLELLAN: Again, I've already responded.
Q: Scott, who in the investigation made this request of the
White House not to comment further about the investigation? Was
it Mr. Fitzgerald? Did he make a request of you specifically?
MCCLELLAN: You can direct those questions to the special
prosecutors. I think probably more than one individual
who's involved in overseeing the investigation had
expressed a preference that we not get into commenting on the
investigation while it's ongoing.
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